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    Âîñêëèöàíèå [Âàæíî, êàñàåòñÿ âñåõ, òîðãóþùèõ ïî ÊÄ!] íîâûé ôîðìàò ïåðåäà÷è äàííûõ íà CME

    ïðîñüáà, âëàäåëüöåâ ðåñóðñà, à òàêæå âñåõ òåõ, êòî â òåìå - ðàçúÿñíèòü äàííóþ ñèòóàöèþ, î å¸ ïîñëåäñòâèÿõ íà òîðãîâëþ, îñíîâàííóþ íà àíàëèçå êëàñòåðîâ, îáúåìîâ è ò.ï.

    ìåíÿåòñÿ ïðîòîêîë ïåðåäà÷è äàííûõ - ñâîäèòñÿ ê àãðåãèðîâàííûì òèêàì.

    " ðàìêàõ ñòàðîãî ïðîòîêîëà FIX/FAST êàæäûé “message”, ïåðåäàâàåìûé íàì áèðæåé, ïîñûëàëñÿ îòäåëüíûì ïàêåòîì, áóäü òî àïäåéò êíèãè îðäåðîâ, ñòàòèñòèêà, êîòèðîâêè, ñäåëêè, ñòàòóñ GLOBEX, è òä). Èìåííî áëàãîäàðÿ ýòîìó èíêðåìåíòàëüíîìó ïîäõîäó ìû, ïðè æåëàíèè, ìîãëè âèäåòü êàæäóþ îòäåëüíóþ ñäåëêó ÷åðåç ëåíòó, ãðàôèê, ñîáñòâåííûå ïðèëîæåíèÿ íà API. Èìåííî íà ýòîé âîçìîæíîñòè, íàðÿäó ñ äðóãèìè, îñíîâàíà ðàáîòà âñåõ “ìàðêåòäåëüò” è “îðäåðôëîó” ìèðà, íå ãîâîðÿ î ãîðàçäî áîëåå ñëîæíûõ è äîðîãèõ ïðîåêòàõ.

    Íîâûé ïðîòîêîë MDP 3.0 áóäåò ïàêîâàòü èíäèâèäóàëüíûå ñîîáùåíèÿ â ïàêåòû äî 1420 bytes. Åñëè íåñêîëüêî ñîîáùåíèé ãîòîâû ê îòïðàâêå îäíîâðåìåííî, îíè âêëàäûâàþòñÿ â îäèí è òîò æå ïàêåò. Îäíî è òî æå ñîîáùåíèå íå ðàçáèâàåòñÿ ïî íåñêîëüêèì ïàêåòàì. Àïäåéòû ê êàêîìó-òî ñîáûòèþ (òðåéäó, íàïðèìåð), ìîãóò áûòü ðàçáðîñàíû ïî íåñêîëüêèì ñîîáùåíèÿì è âîçìæíî ðàçíûì ïàêåòàì.

    MDP 3.0 ìîæåò èñïîëüçîâàòüñÿ óæå ñåé÷àñ, íàðÿäó ñ ïðèâû÷íûì íàì FIX/FAST, è äî îêòÿáðÿ 2015 ãîäà íà íåãî äîëæíû ìèãðèðîâàòü àáñîëþòíî âñå ïîñòàâùèêè äàííûõ ÑÌÅ.  íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ óæå ìèãðèðîâàëè òàêèå êðóïíûå ïîñòàâùèêè, êàê Ò4 è CQG (ïîñëåäíèå ïåðåøëè íà íîâûé ïðîòîêîë â íà÷àëå ìàÿ áåç ïðåäóïðåæäåíèÿ), è óæå ñåé÷àñ ìîæíî ïîèãðàòü â èãðó “ïî÷óâñòâóéòå ðàçíèöó”. IQFeed ñîîáùèëè, ÷òî áóäóò ïðèäåðæèâàòüñÿ ñòàðîãî ôîðìàòà êàê ìîæíî äîëüøå, ïî âîçìîæíîñòè, ñîîòâåòñòâåííî òå, êòî èñïîëüçóþò Kinetick, òàê æå ìîãóò âèäåòü òèêîâûå äàííûå ñòàðîãî îáðàçöà. Rithmic òàêæå ïîâðåìåíèë ñ ìèãðàöèåé è íàáëþäàåò çà òåì, êàê íà íîâîé ñèñòåìå ðàïîðòóþòñÿ ïðîøåäøèå òðåéäû.

    Èñõîäÿ èç îñîáåííîñòåé íîâîãî ôîðìàòà, ïîñòàâùèê- òåîðåòè÷åñêè- ìîæåò “ðàñïàêîâàòü” ïàêåòû íà èíäèâèäóàëüíûå òèêè, íî, ðàçóìååòñÿ, ýòà îïåðàöèÿ áóäåò òðåáîâàòü âðåìåíè, ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, ñ îêòÿáðÿ, äóìàåòñÿ, áóäåì âûáîð- ñêëååííûå òèêè áûñòðî, èëè ðàñïàêîâàííûå- ñ çàäåðæêîé."
    (ñ) Ñâåòëàíà Îðëîâñêàÿ

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    Öèòàòà Ñîîáùåíèå îò anler Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
    ïðîñüáà, âëàäåëüöåâ ðåñóðñà, à òàêæå âñåõ òåõ, êòî â òåìå - ðàçúÿñíèòü äàííóþ ñèòóàöèþ, î å¸ ïîñëåäñòâèÿõ íà òîðãîâëþ, îñíîâàííóþ íà àíàëèçå êëàñòåðîâ, îáúåìîâ è ò.ï.

    ìåíÿåòñÿ ïðîòîêîë ïåðåäà÷è äàííûõ - ñâîäèòñÿ ê àãðåãèðîâàííûì òèêàì.

    " ðàìêàõ ñòàðîãî ïðîòîêîëà FIX/FAST êàæäûé “message”, ïåðåäàâàåìûé íàì áèðæåé, ïîñûëàëñÿ îòäåëüíûì ïàêåòîì, áóäü òî àïäåéò êíèãè îðäåðîâ, ñòàòèñòèêà, êîòèðîâêè, ñäåëêè, ñòàòóñ GLOBEX, è òä). Èìåííî áëàãîäàðÿ ýòîìó èíêðåìåíòàëüíîìó ïîäõîäó ìû, ïðè æåëàíèè, ìîãëè âèäåòü êàæäóþ îòäåëüíóþ ñäåëêó ÷åðåç ëåíòó, ãðàôèê, ñîáñòâåííûå ïðèëîæåíèÿ íà API. Èìåííî íà ýòîé âîçìîæíîñòè, íàðÿäó ñ äðóãèìè, îñíîâàíà ðàáîòà âñåõ “ìàðêåòäåëüò” è “îðäåðôëîó” ìèðà, íå ãîâîðÿ î ãîðàçäî áîëåå ñëîæíûõ è äîðîãèõ ïðîåêòàõ.

    Íîâûé ïðîòîêîë MDP 3.0 áóäåò ïàêîâàòü èíäèâèäóàëüíûå ñîîáùåíèÿ â ïàêåòû äî 1420 bytes. Åñëè íåñêîëüêî ñîîáùåíèé ãîòîâû ê îòïðàâêå îäíîâðåìåííî, îíè âêëàäûâàþòñÿ â îäèí è òîò æå ïàêåò. Îäíî è òî æå ñîîáùåíèå íå ðàçáèâàåòñÿ ïî íåñêîëüêèì ïàêåòàì. Àïäåéòû ê êàêîìó-òî ñîáûòèþ (òðåéäó, íàïðèìåð), ìîãóò áûòü ðàçáðîñàíû ïî íåñêîëüêèì ñîîáùåíèÿì è âîçìæíî ðàçíûì ïàêåòàì.

    MDP 3.0 ìîæåò èñïîëüçîâàòüñÿ óæå ñåé÷àñ, íàðÿäó ñ ïðèâû÷íûì íàì FIX/FAST, è äî îêòÿáðÿ 2015 ãîäà íà íåãî äîëæíû ìèãðèðîâàòü àáñîëþòíî âñå ïîñòàâùèêè äàííûõ ÑÌÅ.  íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ óæå ìèãðèðîâàëè òàêèå êðóïíûå ïîñòàâùèêè, êàê Ò4 è CQG (ïîñëåäíèå ïåðåøëè íà íîâûé ïðîòîêîë â íà÷àëå ìàÿ áåç ïðåäóïðåæäåíèÿ), è óæå ñåé÷àñ ìîæíî ïîèãðàòü â èãðó “ïî÷óâñòâóéòå ðàçíèöó”. IQFeed ñîîáùèëè, ÷òî áóäóò ïðèäåðæèâàòüñÿ ñòàðîãî ôîðìàòà êàê ìîæíî äîëüøå, ïî âîçìîæíîñòè, ñîîòâåòñòâåííî òå, êòî èñïîëüçóþò Kinetick, òàê æå ìîãóò âèäåòü òèêîâûå äàííûå ñòàðîãî îáðàçöà. Rithmic òàêæå ïîâðåìåíèë ñ ìèãðàöèåé è íàáëþäàåò çà òåì, êàê íà íîâîé ñèñòåìå ðàïîðòóþòñÿ ïðîøåäøèå òðåéäû.

    Èñõîäÿ èç îñîáåííîñòåé íîâîãî ôîðìàòà, ïîñòàâùèê- òåîðåòè÷åñêè- ìîæåò “ðàñïàêîâàòü” ïàêåòû íà èíäèâèäóàëüíûå òèêè, íî, ðàçóìååòñÿ, ýòà îïåðàöèÿ áóäåò òðåáîâàòü âðåìåíè, ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, ñ îêòÿáðÿ, äóìàåòñÿ, áóäåì âûáîð- ñêëååííûå òèêè áûñòðî, èëè ðàñïàêîâàííûå- ñ çàäåðæêîé."
    (ñ) Ñâåòëàíà Îðëîâñêàÿ
    Ïîýòîìó ÿ äàâíî êëàë íà êëàñòåðà òèêè è åùå ÷åãî, ÷èñòûé ãðàôèã è ôèáî ))) íó è èíäþêè ÌÀÊÄ ÐÑÈ è ÑÌÀ - õà õà õà

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    Öèòàòà Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dengaz Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
    Ïôèáî ))) íó è èíäþêè ÌÀÊÄ ÐÑÈ è ÑÌÀ - õà õà õà
    âîò èìåííî, êòî-òî çàíèìàåòñÿ óãàäàéêîé è øàìàíñòâîì ñî âñÿêèìè ôèáî è ñòîõàñòèêàìè, à êòî-òî ïî-íàñòîÿùåìó ðàáîòàåò. õà-õà.
    ïðîñüáà, íà çàñèðàòü òàêèìè âûñåðàìè òåìó. è ÷òî âûäåëàåòå íà äàííîì ôîðóìå - òîæå íåïîíÿòíî.
    êàê ÿ ïîíèìàþ, äëÿ îáû÷íîãî òðåéäåðà íè÷åãî íå èçìåíèòñÿ. êòî ðàñòîëêóåò äîõîä÷èâî? â ÊÄ âåäü âñå-ðàâíî ïîñòóïàþò ñóììàðíûå òèêè - òàê ÷òî íàì ïëåâàòü? íà êàêèå ìåòîäû àíàëèçà ïîâëèÿåò äàííîå íîâîââåäåíèå?

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    Öèòàòà Ñîîáùåíèå îò anler Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
    âîò èìåííî, êòî-òî çàíèìàåòñÿ óãàäàéêîé è øàìàíñòâîì ñî âñÿêèìè ôèáî è ñòîõàñòèêàìè, à êòî-òî ïî-íàñòîÿùåìó ðàáîòàåò. õà-õà.
    ïðîñüáà, íà çàñèðàòü òàêèìè âûñåðàìè òåìó. è ÷òî âûäåëàåòå íà äàííîì ôîðóìå - òîæå íåïîíÿòíî.
    êàê ÿ ïîíèìàþ, äëÿ îáû÷íîãî òðåéäåðà íè÷åãî íå èçìåíèòñÿ. êòî ðàñòîëêóåò äîõîä÷èâî? â ÊÄ âåäü âñå-ðàâíî ïîñòóïàþò ñóììàðíûå òèêè - òàê ÷òî íàì ïëåâàòü? íà ÷òî ïîâëèÿåò?
    Îé, äà ëàäíà ðàññëàáñÿ, â äàííûé ìîìåíò ôèãíþ âñÿêóþ ïèøó,à òàê ÿ íà ôîðóìå äàâíî èäåÿìè äåëþñü ))))

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    äà íîðìàëüíî âñ¸) âîò òîãäà è äåëèñü ñîîáðàæåíèÿìè ïî äàííîé òåìå)

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    íîðìàëüíûé ïîòîê íå àãðåãèðîâàííûé
    íå òàê ìíîãî äàòàôèäîâ äàâàëè è ðàíåå
    èç âñåõ äàòàôèäîâ ó ìåíÿ íå âûçûâàë âîïðîñîâ IQFeed
    ñ îñòàëüíûìè êà÷åñòâî áûëî íå ïîäòâåðæäåíî

    IQFeed
    We will be holding off on converting to MDP 3.0 until it’s absolutely necessary which means our customers are receiving unbundled trades today, no differently than they did yesterday.

    ï.ñ. áóäåì ñëåäèòü çà òåìîé

    ï.ï.ñ. íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíèìàþ
    ýòà òåìà äîëæíà âîëíîâàòü òðåéäåðîâ ðàáîòàþùèõ ñ ãëóáèííûì ìàðêåòîì (ëåâåë 2 )
    ïîäàâëÿþùåãî áîëüøèíñòâà ðÿäîâûõ òðåéäåðîâ ýòî íèêàê íå êîñíåòñÿ
    òóò íàäî ÷òî áû êòî-òî ãðàìîòíûé ïî÷èòàë ñïåöèôèêàöèþ ñòàíäàðòà è ðàñòîëêîâàë íàðîäó
    äóìàþ, ÷òî âñêîðå êòî-íèáóäü (ìîæåò äàæå Ñâåòëàíà Îðëîâñêàÿ) ðàñòîëêóþò íàì ÷òî è êàê


    But the good news is, maybe we get back our beloved aggregated time and sales they (CME) took away from us back in 2009.
    :)

    Example: Here is how the change results in a different presentation of the ticks –
    If we had trades like this for ESM5…

    211175 vol 5
    211175 vol 2
    211175 vol 1
    211175 vol 12
    (total, 20 @)

    Now we get a trade summary like this
    211175 vol 20

    Same volume, less detail.

    This will affect your Tick Charts – please be aware and adjust your trading strategies accordingly.
    ñõîäèòå íà Áèãìàéê è ïî÷èòàéòå ÷òî òàì ëþäè ïèøóò ïî äàííîìó âîïðîñó
    òàì òî íàðîä áîëåå ãðàìîòíûé


    Sierra

    We were not aware that MDP 3.0 which uses simple binary encoding, bundles trades.

    We have deployed it on one of our servers for the CME equities and Forex futures. With this news, we will revert back and stay away from this as long as we can.

    We are going to confirm though what we are hearing in this thread.
    êîðî÷å íàðîä íå äîâîëåí òàêèìè "òåëîäâèæåíèÿìè" îò CME

    In 2009, people were upset because they could no longer see the size of the aggressor on trades.

    Now - if they have brought this back to 2009, that's a good move. But if they are bundling ticks by second, that muddies the water even more.

    On their side, it lessens bandwidth, on our side, we have less transparency.

    Is anyone could tell me if this MDP issue will affect delta calculation?

    --------------------------
    I hope and think that even if they bundle/aggregate the consecutive trades at the same price they will keep bid/ask trades separated, in this case the delta calculation will not be affected.

    The event based model sends thru trades marked to the nano-second, but really there is not much use for this granularity for the mere mortal, especially when your latency is measured in ms. Also, most charting platforms won't be able to record the ns anyway, so will likely be truncated back to something less granular.

    Also, the aggressor is properly marked, so things like delta should be fine.

    Sierra
    We are still only in the testing phases of using this new protocol.

    Sierra
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    We understood the data format is different, but that does not mean that we cannot break out the individual trades. There was a misunderstanding by management of the details of the protocol and the fact that our server is transmitting fewer number of trades and we are not breaking out the individual trades from the messages. This is what we meant when we were not aware of this. We have done further research and we can break out the individual trades and we will do that.

    In summary, the the raw data is not gone. The new CME simple binary encoding data feed does provide it and is accessible.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------


    âîîáùåì ïàíèêó íàïðàñíî ïîäíÿëè

    There is a lot of misunderstanding about MDP3 here. Please read the documentation on CME's website and you will see that it's not the bundling that is the issue. The issue is that most data providers are not willing/capable to deliver the unbundled trades to you-although CME provides that information in the raw feed.

    People are worried about nothing. The only down side is a tick chart may need to be slightly adjusted in terms of number of ticks to account for a smaller number of avg ticks.

    ï.ï.ï.ñ ÿ òàê ïîíÿë, â îñíîâíîì ýòî ñåé÷àñ ãîëîâíÿê äëÿ äàòàôèäîâ ïåðåñòðîèòñÿ íà íîâûé ñòàíäàðò
    ÷òî áû êëèåíòû íå ïî÷óâñòâîâàëè ñèëüíîãî äèñêîìôîðòà
    Àëåêñàíäð

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    Ñïàñèáî! ñòàëî áîëåå ïîíÿòíî, ïî äåëüòå óñïîêîèëè. íàáëþäàåì:)

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